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26th Jul 2023

Live action Spider-man vs Animated Spider-man

Live action Spider-man vs Animated Spiderman: With the success of “Across the Spider-verse”, it appears that Sony has another Spider-man franchise on its hands. How will this one stack up against the others? Will it succeed or end in another flop and reboot? Listen in and find out!

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Hey everyone.

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Welcome to Film Center.

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My name is Derek Johnson.

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Ii.

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And I'm here with my co-host Nicholas Killian.

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Nicholas, what are we getting into today?

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So today we're getting into Spider-Man,

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talking about Spider-Man.

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Nicholas and I recently saw today is the 4th of June 20 2020.

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Spider verse.

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Yes.

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We just saw across the spider verse.

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Literally earlier this morning was a late Yeah,

Nicholas:

We went at 11:00 PM

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Yes.

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And it's been doing really well.

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Its numbers have been really well.

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It's only out, been out for I think about 24 hours

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and it's it came out on the second and it's the

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fourth.

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It's the fourth, so then about 48 hours in.

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And it looks something like it's going, it's crossed over 120.

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Mill.

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Yeah.

Nicholas:

It debuted at 51 million which edged out Guardians

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of the Galaxy Volume three.

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Yes.

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Although two favorite guardians of the Galaxy, volume three has been out longer.

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And on top of the fact that worldwide is looking at 208 million

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and both of these numbers are coming out from the numbers deck.

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So it's looking like it's going to be quite successful,

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just like his predecessor.

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Although, to be fair, I argue that it's gonna be more, much more

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successful than his predecessor.

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It's predecessor only having $375 million.

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That was

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worldwide.

Nicholas:

Worldwide, exactly.

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And just in the two days it's been out, it's already had 120 million.

Nicholas:

You're right.

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Mind you, the budget for it was a hundred.

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So it's already made back its initial budget, quote, unquote, without the

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marketing, because everyone knows that marketing isn't added as that added on

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to that hundred a hundred million budget.

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Nicholas, what are we really looking at when it comes to how

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these animated Spider-Man look compared to the live action one?

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Do you think there is room to not really room to grow because we're

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not gonna be able to spoil this for the movie in this episode?

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No spoilers.

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'cause like I said, it just came out however.

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How did this live action animated Spider-Man look towards the live

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action ones and is there something else that people should be

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copying for their own franchises?

Nicholas:

Yeah, so the thing is the Live Action Spider-Man are more successful.

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And the reason why they're more successful is the top three grossing

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live spidermans are Spider-Man.

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No Way.

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Home.

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Yes.

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Which is with Tom Holland.

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Tom Holland one point,

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and Andrew Garfield.

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And and to McGuire with all three

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Spiderman.

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With the No Way Home is.

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1.9 billion.

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Spider-Man, far from home was 1.1 billion.

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And Spider-Man three, which was the Toby McGuire edition

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over 189 million worldwide.

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In contrast.

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You

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mean the opening days, you mean?

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No, this is total.

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It made a hundred.

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Over a hundred million.

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What did you say?

Nicholas:

No, in total.

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Spider-Man three with over 890 million worldwide.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And then the highest grossing animated Spider-Man film, spider-Man

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into the Spider Verse, which came out in 2018, earned over 375

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million like we just talked about.

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Despite all its critical acclaim, it, yeah.

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It only made.

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And that was 375 million worldwide.

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That's not just domestic box

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office.

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Yeah.

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You know what?

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Looking at the numbers, comparing that one to the or really any of the

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trilogies, it doesn't make as much.

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Why do you think that is?

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Do you think it's because of, because my personal hype.

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I can tell you what I think.

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I really think that This is because there's not as much star

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power behind the animated one.

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And then also it's competing with the M C U.

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You gotta think about it like this.

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When Toby McGuire Spider-Man came out, there was no other superhero competition.

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There was the X-Men.

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The X-Men was coming out, but it wasn't in direct competition with Spider-Man.

Nicholas:

No.

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It was something entirely

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different.

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Spider-Man, you're talking about the third highest grossing movie of 2002.

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At the time when it came out, it was the highest grossing superhero film.

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It was the sixth highest grossing of all time at its release.

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It was the first film to reach over a hundred million

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dollars in a single weekend.

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And this is, you could say, oh inflation has something to do with it, right?

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You're making more money as more money becomes.

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Less expensive, you know what I'm saying?

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Like with inflation.

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So possibly if you accounted for inflation, maybe things like Star Wars

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or Lord of the Rings might do better.

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At the time this, it was the first failing to reach a hundred million

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dollars in a single weekend.

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We're talking about making over $821 million, right?

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So it was really huge.

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But it was huge because it stands stood alone, right?

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True.

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X-Men was a team superhero, and Spider-Man was the first like solo.

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Solo superhero movie,

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the X-Men.

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I think X-Men came out after it, right?

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I think so,

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yeah.

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But then you have to look at the first Spider-Man trilogy.

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The live action success of it, directed by Sam Ramey from 2002 to

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2007 had a combined worldwide box office gross of over $2.5 billion.

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The first film in 2002 grossed over $820 million against 139.

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Million dollar budget.

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And these numbers, these are coming from the numbers to account, right?

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W but it was also like you have celebrities are in this Will the foe.

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You have James Franco.

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James Franco, christian Dents.

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Sam Remey himself to McGuire.

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You are stat padding, star padding this movie.

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Spider-Man entered the spider verse.

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The first one, the first anime was not pitched that way.

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No.

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With all these celebrities in it now without spoiling anything Nicholas

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and I did see across the Spider Verse, which is the second animated one.

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And it does have more celebrities in it.

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Yeah, a considerably amount.

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However, in their marketing, they did not push for these celebrities to be there.

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I would argue after seeing it, it's because of the story.

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They were more like surprises, like good surprises, but still.

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They, because they couldn't use it for their marketing.

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It was, it's not gonna do as well.

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I think that the success of it so far is really due to how good the first

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movie was compared to Spider-Man with the first one took in choir,

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where it's like from the jump people knew okay, this is gonna be great.

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Looking at the trailer, From 2002, comparing it to

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other stuff that was there.

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It just occurred to superhero movies.

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Excuse me.

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Before then.

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It's no

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comparison.

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Leagues beyond.

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Yeah.

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Leagues, leagues beyond.

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That's the thing that you also have to understand is also you can't

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ignore the elephant in the room.

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Spider-Man live action movies have more, have had more time.

Nicholas:

Yeah they've had more time.

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And the thing is the old movies are now nostalgic.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think even if you look at them from their own time period, it's to be fair,

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the amazing Spider-Man that some people claim that they don't like whether you

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like those movies or not, we're not gonna break, we're not gonna debate the

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critic side of the Spiderman movies.

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We're not gonna do that here.

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No.

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But they made a lot of

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money.

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They made

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a ton of money.

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They made a lot of money.

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Okay, the second Spider-Man movie.

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Spider-Man two with McGuire making over 790 million.

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Right?

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Third one, making over 890 million with Andrew Garfield, the first, the Amazing

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Spider-Man made over 750 million.

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It might not be as much as the it's predecessor you, right?

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But you're still talking leagues above 3 75.

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And then you also have to, you also have to say what

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the budget was against, right?

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They made all this money Spider-Man two, like you just said, with a

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$2 million, $200 million budget and Spider-Man three with a $250

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million budget, and it made all of

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that money.

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Yeah, to be fair though, the amazing Spider-Man, not the the animated

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Spider-Man, its budget wasn't as big,

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wasn't it like 90

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million.

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Yeah, it was just shy over a hundred for the animated one.

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Right now they have not released the official budget for Spider-Man two

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spider-Man across the Spider verse, the second animated Spider-Man movie.

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Probably 'cause it's so fresh still.

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However, do you think it would've been what, twice as

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budget you think it would've?

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First of all, we already know why the budget was so much higher.

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They were doing live action.

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The budget's gonna be higher, however, I don't even think a higher budget would

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have done anything to improve the movie.

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Let's get real here.

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The first into the Spider Verse anime movie is pretty good.

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No it's great.

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It changed animated movies.

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A that came therefore afterwards.

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You gotta take a look at Puss, some boots.

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Puss boots.

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It's a di like the animation is uncannily similar to, into

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the into the Spider verse.

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Yeah.

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But then is it worth it?

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To make these smaller, animated movies and not get this money

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from the live action one.

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Like, how much did the Tom Holland make?

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The Tom Holland one no Way Home, the

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first Tom Holland movie, homecoming over 870 million.

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And then the, and the other two made over a billion dollars.

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One of which, almost making $2 billion.

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Yeah.

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Now, to be fair, there's some argument there where it's okay, he was using

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the star power of Robert Downey Jr.

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And the star power of the giant M C U.

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Those are fair arguments, and especially with the one that almost made $2 billion.

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You have literally all three Spider-Man in it, right?

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Yeah.

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But it's like they make so much more money.

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Is this, it just makes me afraid that people are, that

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studios rather are not going to.

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Push for animation as much, and we cannot say that it's an animation thing.

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There have been plenty of animated movies that have done really well.

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Yeah, they have definitely made more than this.

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I think though that the live action ones make a more cultural

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impact than the animated ones.

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Why?

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Culture of, they're people, it's an, it's not animated.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So they might relate to them more.

Nicholas:

It's not animated.

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Plus, whenever you have an animated film, you have to rely really

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heavily on the voice acting.

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That's true.

Nicholas:

That's true.

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If so, for example, if you have somebody in a live action Spider-Man.

Nicholas:

Okay.

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You can rely on a multitude of different factors than just.

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Voiceover acting,

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The only thing you, two things you can rely on is that and the animation,

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but it's like there are not a lot of movies that are animated to a degree

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where people are going to, it's gonna read as well as just natural body movement.

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Once again, I think this is probably due to its marketing.

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I don't know.

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What do you

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think?

Nicholas:

I think it's, I think it's due to its marketing.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think the thing is the, this being the second Spider-Man animated movie,

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even though it's done really well for itself, I think it's still,

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I think studios are still a bit scared to do these types of movies.

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Even though it's proven that it's done really well, they're still a bit scared.

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And

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it's crazy that it's, it's Spider-Man, right?

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You know what I'm saying?

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Why?

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I feel like the marketing push for this second one was not as

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hard as it was for the first one.

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No.

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And it's like why?

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And what is it going to take for those audiences to pay and not pay the suit?

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'cause that's what it's done, comes down to the money.

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You know what I'm saying?

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That's what it all calms down to.

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It always comes down to the money.

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The studios aren't pulling it from thin air.

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They're pulling it from people's pockets.

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So what's it gonna take for this animated Spider-Man movie to

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even meet the live action ones?

Nicholas:

I don't think that's possible.

Nicholas:

I don't think that's possible.

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Because you have nostalgia, right?

Nicholas:

You have nostalgia.

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You have I'm

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talking about, I'm talking about like in the future, right?

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For when it's making new movies.

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Because there was no nostalgia when these movies were coming out.

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There's nostalgia for someone, McGuire one.

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But, and I guess so I guess it just started, but then that same nostalgia

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for the previous character would somehow need to work for this new animated one.

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And the nostalgia didn't work there.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So it's I just really afraid that the studios will look, take a look at

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this and say, okay, it's not worth it.

Nicholas:

You also have to the thing you also have to look at is

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what was happening in the world while these movies were also coming

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out.

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Which franchise you talking about?

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Toby?

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You talking about Toby and Toby McGuire movies?

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Or Tom?

Nicholas:

The Toby McGuire movies.

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Okay.

Nicholas:

Okay.

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What's happening in the world right now?

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Everything is from what If you could tell everything.

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If you were to believe something, everything's up in flames right now.

Nicholas:

Oh, with inflation.

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With inflation, with everything else.

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And to look back on not only great Superman spider-Man movies, you also

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think of what a time was like back

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then.

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Yo, that's a year after nine 11.

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Not a even a year afterwards.

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Not even a full year.

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After nine 11 this movie came out.

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I remember seeing this movie.

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With my dad in the summer of 2002.

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And yeah, this was like the war on terror.

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'cause it because nine 11 you had to still, nine 11 people

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will still talk about that.

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So and I don't think that will ever will stop.

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So it's but it was so much more fresh back then.

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That was when it happened and that's when people were like, you were seeing

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people still on the news every day.

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They were still picking up the pieces and those shots.

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You look at the marketing for it of Spider-Man on the American Flagpole.

Nicholas:

So you, there are a lot of X factors that you have to count on

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and then also a lot of people, even we've talked about this, spider-Man

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two being the greatest Spider-Man movie, live action movie there

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is.

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Exactly.

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I, yeah, I fully believe

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that.

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And then no way home.

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Is a close second.

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And then, no way home.

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If you were, 'cause they pulled out

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literally all the

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stops, right?

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They got all the Spider-Man back together.

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Tons of villains are in it.

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I think that it broke the three villain cursed the Spider-Man hat

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was like, oh, they revamped it after.

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Which is weird because looking back at these numbers it's shocking

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to think that studios thought that we had to shut it down.

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Like you just made $894 million.

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Regardless of what people are saying about the, you just made tons of money.

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I guarantee you.

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If they made, shoot, if they, Andrew Garfield movie was happening in

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currently, these movies are coming out currently instead of animated ones.

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They would continue to make them.

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Yeah, they made enough money back for it to warrant.

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Nowadays, I think it, I think you're right.

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You have to think about the time in which they

Nicholas:

came out.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

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The time in which they came out.

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What was happening around it.

Nicholas:

When it came out, I, to, to be fair, I had not seen any of the

Nicholas:

Spider-Man movies besides the, to me.

Nicholas:

McGuire movies prior to us filming this podcast.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

So the thing was, is when I had watched the Andrew Garfield ones,

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I was like, these movies are great.

Nicholas:

These movies are great.

Nicholas:

They made tons of money.

Nicholas:

What was the issue and what was the problem?

Nicholas:

And you were telling me, you were like basically it wasn't

Nicholas:

Toby McGuire Spider-Man.

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Crazy.

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It's

DJ:

basically that's the main, I mean there are some, there are a couple script

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issues in it, but like almost every movie has some script issues, right?

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That's just how movies work.

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There's always someone who has some opinion of, oh, this should have

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happened, this should have happened, this should have happened in any movie.

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However, yeah, most people are still really nostalgic for time of wire.

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And then also for the first, the Amazing Spider-Man, they made the move of using

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the lizard, which was originally pitched to be to McGuire's fourth villain.

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And not fourth villain, but in the fourth movie you would be fighting that

Nicholas:

character.

Nicholas:

Yeah, exactly.

Nicholas:

So there, there are so many things that you can think of as to why

Nicholas:

the live action Spider-Man movies are better and the quantifiable

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metric of being more successful.

Nicholas:

Because being better is objective in a creative business where, it's.

Nicholas:

It's just your

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word over mine.

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Yeah.

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Based on pen and a whole bunch of he said, she said stuff.

Nicholas:

So the thing is you have to look at opening

Nicholas:

weekends, so Spider-Man, no way.

Nicholas:

Home grossed a total of $260 million, which is the second biggest opening

Nicholas:

weekend of all time behind Avengers.

Nicholas:

And ahead of Infinity War.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

DJ:

But it had so much going for it, you know what I'm saying?

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Like

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vers versus the first animated Spider-Man movie.

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Which opening weekend made 56 million.

DJ:

But you're looking at, a movie that's not as backed as that one is.

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Like True.

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And it's, once again, the Tom Holland movies are using the power of the M c

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U, the largest movie franchise of all time to go ahead and make these movies

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on top of the fact that once again, they have Disney money backing them.

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Their marketing campaigns are way bigger than Sony's was for into the Spider verse.

Nicholas:

That's another, that would be another reason why I

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would cast my vote for more for the live action Spidermans is cross

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Universe.

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So do you think that they should be making the live action if they want, like you

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think it should be making live action?

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Yeah.

Nicholas:

I'm not saying that you should stop making animated.

Nicholas:

Spider-Man movies, but it's Amazon or Apple right now.

Nicholas:

Okay.

Nicholas:

Okay.

Nicholas:

So they've opened up streaming services, correct?

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Alright, now.

Nicholas:

They don't really have to worry about making money on their shows.

Nicholas:

Obviously they do wanna make money on their shows or else why would

Nicholas:

they make them, but their main thing is not working on those shows.

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Their main thing is selling iPhones and selling

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product.

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Really, the shows are an advertisement for the product.

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The actual

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products.

Nicholas:

Yes.

Nicholas:

So that's what I think, that's what I think.

Nicholas:

The animated Spider-Man should be,

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is, it should be an advertisement for the larger Spiderman Act.

Nicholas:

Live action ones.

Nicholas:

Live action ones.

Nicholas:

Oh because the thing is you're not gonna be able to compete

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with 20 years of buildup.

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You're just not gonna be able to do that.

DJ:

And then also think about it like this.

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When's the last time we, I actually can't even really think of a.

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The last animated Spider-Man movie that came out theatrically.

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I don't believe it's happened in this, it was not happening in this capacity.

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No.

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Yeah, no.

Nicholas:

Plus there's so much more you can do with live action

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that you can't do with anime.

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Now, with animated, you're not constrained by anything.

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You're only constrained by what you can imagine.

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And it's wild to think that, the animated Spiderman movie was

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it did wonders for animation.

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It made breakthroughs in animation.

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The second one, it said previously, Nicholas and I saw it last

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night and we enjoyed the movie.

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We enjoyed the the second animated Spiderman movie There is they take,

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I would say they, they take what they did in the first movie and

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animation wise really built on it.

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There are some new animation styles in this movie, again,

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that kind of pushes it farther.

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And they really they really, had the space to do that, right?

DJ:

They're innovating the industry that way.

DJ:

That's not I would argue that live action does not do the same thing.

DJ:

Ah, I

Nicholas:

would argue against that because you talk about the evolution

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of visual and c g I effects.

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That's Spider-Man

DJ:

right there for you.

DJ:

Yeah, but they're, yeah, but they're, if you're talking the

DJ:

first Spider-Man trilogy or Yeah.

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The first Spider-Man trilogy.

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Yeah.

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When I'm talking about in current modern times, they're getting very

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cookie cutter with how they look.

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C g I wise.

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If they gonna make a new, it would've

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never happened though, if had it not been for the first

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trilogy.

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Yeah.

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But I'm talking about right now.

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Okay.

DJ:

The live action with Spider-Man right now versus the animated ones?

DJ:

The animated ones are making more headways.

DJ:

Oh, absolutely.

DJ:

And making more innovations compared to the newer stuff.

DJ:

Yeah, the newer stuff is literally just I would say that I really

DJ:

actually did no way home.

DJ:

But as far as the M C U goes, I mean it's starting to get very,

DJ:

they're starting to get more laxed.

DJ:

They're not gotta try as hard 'cause they know they're gonna go see you.

DJ:

They're gonna go see it.

DJ:

I feel like.

DJ:

This be real here.

DJ:

The real reason why No way.

DJ:

Home Whistle Barber was Stone McGuire.

DJ:

People heard Tony McGuire, Spiderman was coming back.

DJ:

And if you are a fan of Spider-Man in, if you know who Spider-Man is, you were

DJ:

like, I'm gonna go see this, right?

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Come here to the mates Spider-Man one where it's oh cool.

DJ:

This is like a, it almost feels like a smaller ripoff compared to

DJ:

the regular M C U, even though it's not even though it's own thing.

DJ:

I don't know why they didn't give it the same, love and treatment that

DJ:

the others live action ones had.

DJ:

Do you think if it had that same love and treatment it would do better?

DJ:

Possibly.

DJ:

Obviously it was made for one from with care, but like they didn't

DJ:

get these bigger stars to be in it.

Nicholas:

Possibly, but also at the same time, you have to look at the

Nicholas:

demographic that's coming to the movies.

Nicholas:

So the thing is the demographic back then when the first Spider-Man

Nicholas:

came out those people now have kids.

Nicholas:

So what they're doing is

DJ:

their, then that, that should be even a bigger reason why the

DJ:

animated ones should do better.

DJ:

'cause it's literally animated.

DJ:

It's four children and

Nicholas:

yet it doesn't.

Nicholas:

And yet it doesn't.

DJ:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Facts and facts.

Nicholas:

That's just a thing, right?

Nicholas:

You say that hey, it's animated, it's a family film.

Nicholas:

Listen, the one that just came out's doing really well for

DJ:

itself, right?

DJ:

It's not like the movies are doing bad, but they're just not doing

DJ:

as well as the live action stuff.

DJ:

So it's I'm trying to figure out what does the missing piece here,

DJ:

to me personally, it feels like the star power in the marketing is

DJ:

what are the two missing pieces?

DJ:

I actually don't even know what other things that they're

DJ:

missing besides those two things.

Nicholas:

The thing is it's animated.

Nicholas:

Okay.

Nicholas:

That's when you have live action.

Nicholas:

It's the realism is more, the immersion is more, yeah.

Nicholas:

The

DJ:

I'm unable to buy it as much,

Nicholas:

Your suspension of disbelief is harder.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Yeah, that's true.

Nicholas:

Plus you have time.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

You're not gonna beat the time, you're not gonna beat the nostalgia.

Nicholas:

You're not gonna beat the fact that these people that saw these

Nicholas:

movies when they were kids, now they're seeing it with their kids.

Nicholas:

It's the same thing with Star Wars, right?

Nicholas:

Star Wars has what, three or four generations?

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

But you can't argue that any movies can't make that hand of money.

DJ:

Look at an Nemo Finding Nemo made over, made them a Lion King.

DJ:

There's so many plethora of movies.

Nicholas:

But we're talking about, we're not talking about

Nicholas:

the, we're talking about animated

DJ:

Spider-Man.

DJ:

That's fair.

DJ:

But it's okay, so then what do they do?

DJ:

No, what did those movies do that this movie didn't?

DJ:

This movie doesn't have, once again, it's a star power.

DJ:

And also yeah, their marketing campaigns, which is bigger.

DJ:

I don't know what is going on recently.

DJ:

This, there's this recent trend in movies, to just have.

DJ:

So like the marketing, that's what they're cutting the budgets, it seems to

DJ:

be like in their marketing department.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

And I know what people are gonna say.

DJ:

They're like, oh, I saw it everywhere.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Digital marketing is not something that's, the studios are as good with compared.

DJ:

They're good with paying for commercial spots, so you're

DJ:

gonna see it on YouTube ads.

DJ:

But as far as like real marketing, they're not.

DJ:

The best at it just yet, but even still, it doesn't seem like they're

DJ:

pushing as hard for marketing as they were like five years ago.

Nicholas:

Also, you have to look at the times that we're in right now, right?

Nicholas:

So you have to sit there.

Nicholas:

You can't really make that case for the 2008 animated Spider-Man, but

Nicholas:

you definitely can make the case for the Spider-Man that just came out.

Nicholas:

Look at the inflation.

Nicholas:

Look at how everything's going.

Nicholas:

Inflation is the

DJ:

exact reason why it should be doing better across the board when there is

DJ:

inflation, when there is a recession, when any of those things, yeah, it's

DJ:

not when all those things happen.

DJ:

Art does well, right?

DJ:

So it's like clearly there is something missing because it's not right.

DJ:

So you can't say, oh, it's the inflation's fault.

DJ:

You can't say, oh, it's the, those are usually when art

DJ:

makes movies do really well,

Nicholas:

and yet they're doing

DJ:

the opposite.

DJ:

So what else could be possibly missing besides star power and better marketing?

DJ:

Because I tell you, I'll tell you this right now, they might just

DJ:

after supposedly there's supposed to be a third movie, We don't know,

DJ:

but there's supposed to be a third movie that's supposed to come out.

DJ:

What's gonna, this second one's doing really well, so I'm not gonna act like

DJ:

they might not they're not gonna get it.

DJ:

If it keeps going at the pace is going, it's gonna make plenty of money.

DJ:

But looking at what happened to Andrew Garfield's, him and the first and

DJ:

second amazing Spiderman, it wasn't that they weren't making money, it's just

DJ:

that they weren't making enough money.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

I, and they might get the same feeling about the animated

DJ:

Spider-Man, which I don't want it to happen to them, basically.

DJ:

But

Nicholas:

also we were talking about the fact that it was too

Nicholas:

close to the original Spider-Man.

DJ:

That's true.

DJ:

That's true.

DJ:

It was very close in release to the original not close as in the

DJ:

next year or nothing like that.

DJ:

But like there, it's just so hard to follow up that first strategy to be

Nicholas:

fair.

Nicholas:

And then the thing is it is, We haven't talked about this, but the

Nicholas:

fact that it's animated, animated is geared towards children.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

You have live action.

Nicholas:

You can gear it towards

DJ:

everybody.

DJ:

Isn't that yeah, that's true.

DJ:

That's true.

DJ:

Adults are more likely to go see live action than they

DJ:

are gonna see animated films.

DJ:

Unless it's something, that's like star pack things with.

DJ:

Star power, which they didn't do that's this has been film center and our

DJ:

comparison to live action and animated.

DJ:

Nicholas, what's your verdict?

DJ:

Should they do a live action Miles Morales movie?

Nicholas:

Yes.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

DJ:

Yes.

DJ:

It's such a long pause.

DJ:

The thing is because based on the numbers, we just looked at the numbers,

Nicholas:

man, based on the numbers.

Nicholas:

Also at the same time you have the experience.

Nicholas:

You've been making live action, Spider-Man movies for forever.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

You already know how to do it.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Why not make a live action Miles Morales movie?

Nicholas:

You already got Donald Glover.

DJ:

Yeah, and there are already some people like who there are some people

DJ:

already speculating that it might happen, but to be fair, at the end of No Way

DJ:

home there was like little venom symbio.

DJ:

So that I think that, alright, I would rather see Tom Holland Venom, then

DJ:

a miles, and then a movie with him and Miles Morales just because of.

DJ:

Venom's just a better story.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

There's so much more that you could do with Venom than

DJ:

you can with Miles Morales.

DJ:

Especially because Miles Morales is supposed to have a similar backstory

DJ:

to Tom Holland's, like Tom Holland, spider-Man is, was basically based

DJ:

off the Miles Morales's backstory from the comic book, and then it was kinda

DJ:

like mixed in a little bit with yeah.

DJ:

His own little flare.

DJ:

So it's I don't really think.

DJ:

I think that they should continue with the Venom thing.

DJ:

I don't really, I don't know what they're gonna do.

DJ:

'cause to be fair, Tom Holland is young looking.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

He's not, he's young looking.

DJ:

I like, if you standing him next to a middle schooler, he is not gonna

DJ:

look like he's the older mentor.

DJ:

He's gonna look like that's his friend or something.

Nicholas:

But they were, which is true.

Nicholas:

And the way that I could corroborate that was whenever Tom Holland

Nicholas:

was filming for his noway home, he actually went to like a.

Nicholas:

Very high performing high school.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

And to, because he had told Mar Marvel.

Nicholas:

Hey maybe I should, go to one of these high schools if

DJ:

what's crazy.

DJ:

He is yeah, I haven't been to high school before.

DJ:

I said this might be fun

Nicholas:

to try.

Nicholas:

And he wasn't even like suggesting, and Marvel was like yeah let's get you in.

Nicholas:

And so he went there for a few days

DJ:

and days.

DJ:

That's how you experienced high school in 72 hours.

Nicholas:

Exactly.

Nicholas:

And so the guy, there was a student that was like, Hey man

Nicholas:

You're like a mystery here.

Nicholas:

Nobody knows really much about this.

Nicholas:

You kinda just

DJ:

showed up.

DJ:

How

Nicholas:

did you get here?

Nicholas:

And he was like, listen I'm just going to tell you like, like I'm Spider-Man.

Nicholas:

That's why I'm here.

Nicholas:

And he was like, dude, you're crazy man.

Nicholas:

And then just

DJ:

Yeah, this guy's weird.

DJ:

Yeah, this

Nicholas:

guy thinks he's Spider-Man

DJ:

link.

DJ:

That's so weird, right?

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

But yeah, and then he turns out he, he is Spider-Man.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Could you imagine being that guy, you're like, like you're not Spider-Man, and

DJ:

then you see him in the movie, you're like, oh my God, that was Spider-Man.

DJ:

And realizing you had a chance to make a friend, but instead

DJ:

you chose us to be a jerk.

DJ:

It's a, it's the same.

DJ:

To be fair, I mean it that, that would be my reaction to someone

DJ:

saying that and being serious

Nicholas:

about it.

Nicholas:

It, the same thing happened with Henry Cal's grandson.

Nicholas:

Oh yeah.

DJ:

And he's oh, my uncle's Superman.

DJ:

And not his

Nicholas:

grandson.

Nicholas:

His nephew.

Nicholas:

His nephew, yeah.

Nicholas:

And 'cause that would be crazy.

Nicholas:

But anyway, the teacher was like, Hey, you need to stop telling

DJ:

lies.

DJ:

And he's what?

DJ:

Lie?

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

What

Nicholas:

lie?

Nicholas:

And then she was like, listen, if you don't quit telling lies, we're

Nicholas:

gonna have to put you in timeout.

DJ:

He's right that you're, that.

DJ:

He's I'm not lying.

DJ:

My uncle is Superman.

DJ:

She's no, he's not.

DJ:

So you got all these kids convinced that, and then what?

DJ:

Then Henry Cavel had to show up.

DJ:

Yeah, Henry Keller showed up.

DJ:

Person be like, yeah, this is my nephew.

DJ:

I am Superman.

Nicholas:

And then they had a the last story that I'll share

Nicholas:

is the fact of the Hulk, right?

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

The guy who plays the Hulk.

Nicholas:

He went to a preschool with his little daughter and sat down and they were

Nicholas:

doing little preschool things and this little kid was like, Are you the Hulk?

Nicholas:

And he was like, ah.

Nicholas:

I don't know.

Nicholas:

He's she and his daughter was like, yeah, he is the Hulk.

Nicholas:

And he was like, do you want him to turn into the Hulk?

Nicholas:

And he was like, I don't know.

Nicholas:

And he, so what he did was is he was like, and the priest said no.

DJ:

He's like the Hulk out.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Like he's gonna all g Yeah.

DJ:

It's so funny.

DJ:

But yeah, this has been film center.

DJ:

My name is Derek Johnson ii.

DJ:

My name is Nicholas Killian, and we'll see you next time.

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In a world of celebrity gossip news, Film Center is a weekly podcast that's about the facts. Hosted by writer-director Derek Johnson II (@derek.johnsonii) and actor Nicholas Killian (@nicholaskilliann) they talk about movies and TV in a way that’s informative and entertaining. They cut out the fluff and stick to what makes projects sink or swim. Tune in to stay up to date on studio news and learn how professionals navigate Hollywood!

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Nicholas Killian

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Nicholas Killian is an American actor From Louisiana.

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Derek Johnson II is an American screenwriter and director from Tennessee.